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  MSNBC    The Rachel Maddow Show    News/Business.  (2011) New.  

    March 4, 2011
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win, winning. win. winning, winning, win. winning, winning, winning, winning, winning. >> dude. dude. >> you can have the last word online at our blog. you can follow my tweets at lawrence. "the rachel maddow show" is up next. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, lawrence. that was stew pen dust. have a wonderful weekend. thanks to you at home for staying with us the next hour. it is friday, march 4th. that means that today is the 13 this straight day in which the lead story in the country has been the great republican overreach of 2011. the republican party's disastrous decision to pick a fight in the midwest that they cannot win and that has had the counterproductive side effect for them of reminding the democratic party for the first time in maybe a generation that the democratic party actually has a base.
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and that base might need some attention. it is a base that is numerically much larger than the corporate base of the republican party. it is a base that is made up of people that work for a living. the republicans' decision to attack that basin the midwest has not only inspired democrats in the states to stand up for people that work for a living, it reminded the economic party as a whole that the democratic party has peeps. that people have to work for a living are the reason the democratic party exists in the first place. the republican party is not only losing this fight they picked, they have given the democratic party a jolt that no single election ever could. the very first night we led with what's happening in wisconsin, these were some of the images we showed of mass protests in the streets of madison. the protests proved to not only be sustainable, they grew over time. that night we reported that around 30,000 people had descended on the state capitol to protest. the following weekend, police
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estimated the crowd was up to 70,000 people protesting in madison. the weekend after that, police said about 100,000 protesting in madison. now this is the scene at the state capitol. what did republicans finally have to do to essentially almost empty the capitol? the whole state and then the whole country essentially sided with the protesters, as the republican cause got less and less popular. what did they have to do to end the protests? they essentially had to use force. they had to stop by whatever means necessary the physical manifest taigs of how much people hated what they were doing. in the early days of the protests against scott walker, whether he took the prank call from somebody that he thought was david koch, who was a generous donor. the governor said the media would eventually get board with the protests. turns out not to have been true.
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he also said the protests were dwindling at that point, also turned out not to be true. mr. walker was wrong about those things and eventually he determined that he had to stop those protests. and now the governor's crusade that the republican party wanted so desperately to make the face of the republican party, now that governor's crusade looks like this. >> hey! [ inaudible ] >> that was a democratic state representative, nick mill row --
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milroy. he was trying to get to his office last night and having it end that way. this is what scott walker's fight has done. this is what scott walker and the republicans have done to the state of wisconsin. they declared they are not willing to negotiate, they are not willing to talk. so they locked everything down to stop the opposition and the state capitol looks like this. the next images republicans threaten we will see are images of democratic senators being brought back to the capitol in handcuffs. the republican leader in the senate reportedly raising the prospect yesterday that republicans could hire private security, aka, bounty hunters to arrest them and force them to do what the governor wants. remember the stand with scott idea that the republican governor's association rolled out a few weeks ago? you have a choice, america. the democratic party as
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represented by a man you may be familiar with named president obama, or the republican party. standing with scott. i think it continues to be the most underreported political aspect of this whole story, that the republican party just elected their wisconsin party chairman as the man to lead republicans nationally. rains preeb us, a man whose fame was getting scott walker elected in the first place, he is the new chairman of the republican party, and this fight in wisconsin is what the national republican party under this guy's leadership decided they wanted to be the new image for the republican party. it has been a disaster. even as the republican governor association, as these institutions try to do the stand with scott thing, the actual individual governors associated with what he is doing are back
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pedaling so fast. chris christie, a man -- he said i love collective bargaining. not paraphrasing, that was his phrase, i love collective bargaining. >> in fact, i love collective bargaining. >> yeah. in ohio, republican governor john kasich is trying to pull his own scott walker. john kasich has such huge republican majorities in his legislature, you would think he had no problem doing whatever union busting he wants. but republicans, this is interesting, republicans initially lost the union stripping fight in their own republican controlled state senate. the union stripping bill was not going to pass out of committee, even with their big republican majorities. to make it pass, they had to remove one of their own republican members from that committee because he was voting no. they had to throw him off the committee and replace him with a kasich loyalist who would vote
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yes. the republicans' own people are defecting. why are their own people defecting? in ohio, they tried this sort of thing before. they know how this works out in the end. 1950s is the last time they made an attack on people that work for a living. they tried in the '50s like now to unilaterally strip union rights in that state. what happened in the '50s? democrats put it up for ren ren dumb. when they did, what the republicans had done got overturned 2-1. then the republicans lost the governorship. the state turned against them. this is the great republican overreach of 2011. republicans picked this fight with wisconsin, and wisconsin won. wisconsin, you won. when this is what it looks like for a democratic assemblyman to try to enter the state capitol to go to his office. that's what it looks like. the political fight is over. the republicans lost. joining us now is that wisconsin
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assemblyman you have seen in that tape, democrat nick milroy. he's at a rally in rice lake wisconsin, about five hours north of the capitol. representative, thanks for being here. really appreciate it. >> hi, rachel, thanks for having me. >> are you able to go to work now? are you and your staff able to get to your office and get work done there? >> yeah. i was able to get in this morning, no problem. walked right through the front door. >> you can understand why people might be surprised that it wasn't a problem, given that we saw that tape. i mean, one of the things that is so powerful about that video of you essentially getting kak he did last night is you can sense howie motional and upset and frustrated things were in that moment. what's the atmosphere like in the building there? >> you know, tremendously emotional for all kinds of people. emotional even for the officers that are doing their best down there. i don't hold any animosity
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against the officer that put me on the ground. you know, this is scott walker's leadership in wisconsin and it is reprehensible. >> tell me about the folks who you are with right now. i imagine you are in your constituency or with folks expressing their feelings or their sense of this fight. what are people telling you up at rice lake and as you traveled around the state? >> well, right now, i'm in small town wisconsin. this is rice lake, wisconsin. population less than 10,000 people. we just had the business owner of this fine restaurant here tell us how this affects everybody in the community, and it is going to affect small businesses. we just can't have a governor thas going to strip the rights of working people and undermine their ability to live a decent quality of life. that's not the wisconsin way. >> i know you were one of the few democrats that held office hours outside in the cold this week, so your constituents could
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get to you. how was that experience? >> well, you know, the governor put the capitol on lockdown. it is like he has his palace guards there. it is impossible for constituents to get in the capitol until after the court decision here. so i was so fed up, i didn't feel like i wanted -- i felt like i was enabling the governor by sitting in the capitol without having constituents come in, so myself and a couple of colleagues said let's bring it outside. and it was a great experience. >> there has been some confusion. you mention that court decision. there has been some confusion over the judge's ruling in wisconsin yesterday. people were cleared out of the capitol last night. they weren't allowed to stay overnight, but they apparently will be allowed back in next week. what do you understand about what sort of access people are going to have to the capitol from now on? >> my understanding is that they should have the same access that they've had to their state capitol since before all of this
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started. unfortunately this morning, that's not what we saw. it is still like trying to get through tsa security and that to me is unconstitutional. if there's a public safety concern, fine, so be it. right now, all i have seen is peaceful protests in the state capitol, and the people just want their voices to be heard. >> do you think that this fight in wisconsin is changing the politics of the state? i mean, it wasn't that long ago that governor walker was elected. we saw some new polling data that showed his approval ratings are tanking, far below what they would need to be for him to, for example, win re-election if he were back up for it today. do you think people are changing in partisan terms or in ideological terms in the state because of this? >> you know, i don't think people are necessarily changing ideology, but people don't like when rights are taken away, people don't like leaders that aren't willing to compromise. i heard from so many mod rats
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and conservatives say they can't believe the governor won't sit down and talk with people that already said they would make concessions for. he is losing his base and losing his support. >> the governor is still saying he's not going to compromise, not going to talk about, not going to negotiate on the main issue, which is union rights, about collective bargaining. he is getting a little wobbly on other things. he said forcing annual recertifications of unions which is a way to make unions go away, he admits that won't help with the deficit, that it has no fiscal impact. seeing him change his mind, make admissions on something like that, does it imply there might be some talking to be done, that you might be close to negotiating something? >> well, i think that would be good for wisconsin. i think the governor needs to step up, show the leadership to help bring the state back together. we can't continue to tear each other apart. >> wisconsin democratic
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assemblyman nick milroy joining us from a very happy crowd in rice lake, wisconsin. hi, guys. thanks for being on "the rachel maddow show." thanks to you, too, sir. >> thank you, rachel. >> it is not every day that the politics of individual little towns like rice lake, wisconsin, individual states like wisconsin are truly national stories. the daily doings of the metropolitan sewer district in any town usa are important to any town usa, but not usually everybody else. tonight, it is not just wisconsin, it is texas where your gob will be smacked. it is south dakota where small time conservatives are building the biggest government in history. and wyoming, the most republican government in history, where there is an outbreak of conservativism surprising some republicans. this is an amazing friday night in the news. please stay with us. when you pour chunky beef with country vegetable soup over it, you can do dinner. 4 minutes, around 4 bucks.
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police officers. >> have you ever been stopped by a policeman that was an idiot? i had this idiot pull me over on 315. he is an idiot. >> the governor of ohio, john kasich, everybody. after apologizing for that. >> he is an idiot. >> after apologizing for that as the worst apology ever for saying that about ohio police, that governor is now stripping union rights from police in his state. two states over in wisconsin, the republican governor there is stripping union rights, too. he did it once before with disastrous results that involved these men drinking vodka shooters out of each other's hind quarters. that's next. [ coughs ]
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take one more look at this videotape. this one where wisconsin state assemblyman nick milroy is tackled on his way into the capitol yesterday. gets brought down to the floor by a uniformed officer. this will not be obvious from the tape, and in a way a small part of the story, but the guy tackling mr. milroy is not a member of capitol police, he is not even from the police department in the city of madison where the state capitol is. the guy who tackled that state rep is from the police department in the town of two rivers, which is about 150 miles away from the state capitol. he was on special duty in madison this week. even as governor walker was prepping 1500 layoff notices to state employees today, the governor has also been staging an extraordinary display of public sector man power at the capitol, calling in police officers from across the state to quiet the capitol building,
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lock it down, hush it up. take your crock pots and go home, thank you for coming. but it is in milwaukee, 80 miles east of madison where they have the most over the top security of all now. as of this week, milwaukee county is playing two full-time security guards for every one full-time security job. for courthouse security, security at the other county buildings, milwaukee is double paying right now. why is that? because of wisconsin governor scott walker. governor walker's first draft of the union busting he tried to do at the state level now is what he did at his last job when he was county executive in milwaukee. mr. walker's union busting at the county level, which he is now trying to extend to the whole state, has just done the legal equivalent of blowing up. in january, wisconsin court ruled that mr. walker had essentially invented a fake financial emergency to justify him improperly firing the county's unionized security
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guards. he privatized their jobs, all of them. handed them to a foreign company called wackenhut. when the county board tried to stop him, save him from himself, he overruled them, citing that fiscal emergency he cooked up. he fired all the union guards, and replaced them with new ones from wackenhut, a private, nonunion foreign company that was sort of already a household name, at least in certain households. they are the same company that became famous for this thing i am about to show you, sorry, mom, parents, time to put your hand over your child's eyes fur the sort of parent that puts your hand over their eyes. remember? these are the wackenhut guys who we, the american taxpayers, paid to guard the u.s. embassy in kabul. they found a really novel way to spend down time, dancing naked, some in coconut bras ears to
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celebrate the challenge out of reaching vodka out of hard to reach faces in the rear facing portion of one another's naked bodies. as my grandmother may have put it if she were still watching from this point, they drank spirits from each other's nothers. scott walker improperly fired the union security guys, brought in wackenhut instead. took $5 off the wages, slashed benefits. wackenhut hired a man with a criminal record who had done jail time and put him in charge of security at milwaukee courthouses and other city buildings. now because the courts ruled that mr. walker did all of that improperly under the very transparent cover of a ginned up financial emergency, sound familiar? milwaukee is locked into paying double right now for a service it already has. the old union security guards are back, and they still have
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wackenhut on the job as well. the journal sentinel noting that none of the annual savings mr. walker promised from his union busting in milwaukee county, none are expected to materialize. so that's how scott walker's union busting dream worked out the first time around. that's what he wants to do to the whole state now. in case you're wondering why folks there are up in arms. [ woman announcing ] every subaru is responsibly built in a zero landfill plant. so it's no wonder they fit so naturally with spring. come to the subaru love spring event. get a subaru, and go love spring. [ man ] spring is finally here. lease a 2011 legacy 2.5i for $199 a month, now through march 31. but basically, i'm a runner. last year. (oof). i had a bum knee that needed surgery.
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i always wanted to do one of
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those text polls on tv. they do them on other shows here on msnbc. for a long time, i didn't understand how to do them. and once we figured out how you do them, took us a long time as staff to figure out a question that would be an appropriate one to use for text polling. a question that requires instant answers from the viewing audience. at today's meeting, we realized finally we have exactly the sort of day for which you need that text poll question instant response thingy. for us, the question is what's more embarrassing today, get your cell phones ready. while doing interviews, current fox news celebrity mike huckabee has been making hur cue lee and efforts to say things that are quotable. say things that will generate headlines, presumably because headlines mean attention and
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attention means name recognition when you have a new book out means book sales, and book sales mean income. so mr. huckabee has been reaching further and further into outrageville with every new interview to try to convert the media around what he is doing into as much income for himself as possible. his desperate grab for controversy this week had him trying to sound presidential, like he might seriously be running for president, while also saying things like president obama was raised in kenya. after he got a buzz for that, he started to criticize best actress oscar winner natalie portman for being publicly pregnant. mr. huckabee disapproves of her being pregnant because miss portman is not married. true to form, when his comments started causing the intended fracas, he responded by telling us magazine that he was distorted by leftwing partisans, and anyone concerned by what he said, these people should read my book and they would know what
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i said. to be clear, he doesn't say anything about miss portman pregnant or otherwise in his book, god help me, we had to check. he has convinced us magazine to tell its readers that his book is where they should look for more controversial natalie portman pregnancy information. this huckabee media round, all under t under the guise of him writing a book. a columnist expressing concern for the atmosphere around the presidential nominating practice so far. "the washington post" george will gave a preview of his column on the subject to politico.com. here it is. he writes sensible americans must be detecting vibrations of weirdness emanating from people associated with the party. the most recent -- i don't think i can say that out loud.
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i will let you read it off the screen. the most recent. okay. all of this brings us to our question. now it is time for the cell phone. you ready? i've never done this before. i hope you do it right. today's question. what's more embarrassing. a, huckabee saying things about the president growing up in kenya, the natalie portman comments, or telling anyone offended to buy his book, or george will calling mike huckabee a something i am not going to say. which is more embarrassing? we're doing this for real. text a, b or c. i am supposed to say message and data rates may aplay. 622639. they say we will have the results later this hour, which i sort of can't believe, but that's what they say. if they're right, that will be true in just a minute. i can't get rid of these weeds, or these nasal allergies.
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attempt to sat irize it. after unconfirmed sources ran a satire more than a week ago saying republicans in wisconsin would resort to hiring dog the bounty hunter to go after democrats to get their way, the republican senate majority leader in wisconsin actually raised the idea of hiring private security to get those democrats. when satire is surpassed by the truth, the joke becomes null and void. this afternoon in the middle of our news meeting, a roar arose as a statement from john boehner crossed the wires. john boehner in his statement announced, this kills me. in his statement announcing that house republicans are going to take legal action in support of a federal gay marriage ban. in the statement announcing that, the speaker's statement said, quote, americans want their leaders to focus on jobs. and that's why we're focusing on banning gay marriage instead. mr. speaker, you are killing jobs. you are taking away the ability
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of people like me to make fun of you. at this point, you are making better fun of yourself. you down sized the shaming you industry. even beyond that, associated press profiled a piece of state legislation today that just cannot be true. a bill that is such a caricature of what you might suspect that it must be a joke. this is debbie riddle. you may remember her from the whole terror babies thing. regardless, debbie riddle is a member of state legislature in texas. she's a republican. she has introduced a law that would call for two years in prison, up to $10,000 in fines for anyone that intentionally, knowingly, recklessly hires an undocumented immigrant. her bill carves out one specific exemption, though. you don't get put in jail, you don't get the $10,000 in fines, you're okay, exempted from this draconian anti-hire immigrants law, you are exempted if the
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undocumented i am grant you hire is for, quote, work to be performed exclusively or primarily at a single family residence. this can't be true. you will go to jail for hiring an undocumented immigrant unless it is your gardener or handyman. it is a hard line, but you can keep your servants, you can keep the help. this cannot be true. joining us now, wayne slater, senior political writer from dallas morning news. mr. slater, great to see you again. thank you for being here. >> great to be with you. >> are we being punked here. is there any reason to believe debbie riddle is performance art and not a legs lay tore? >> you would think so if you lived somewhere other than texas. in the birther is he session wing of the republican party, this is what passes reasonable debate and discussion. she's serious about this.
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like you mentioned, she was behind warning about terror babies, middle eastern women coming here, getting pregnant, having babies on u.s. soil and raising them as terrorists for the future. this is normal conversation and text. >> texas has giant republican majorities in the legislature. what are they working on, given they can really pass anything they want to? >> the state faces a $27 billion, b as in billion, dollar shortfall. so there's enormous budget problems. what they're working on so far is a bill to force women that are having abortion to look at a sonogram. a resolution that empowers the legislature to demand that the u.s. congress pass the budget to some other bills dealing with sanctuary cities and nothing to do with anything that's really important. >> you know, i am fascinated by the distance between the branding of the republican
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party, which is still really all about fiscal conservatism and budgets and small government, and then looking at what they do. even just looking at debbie riddle's bill, i am guessing she calls herself a fiscal conservative. but is there any debate about the fiscal impact of something like the you go to jail but i keep my nanny vote? >> it would have enormous impact. if we turn policeman, although you have the exemption for your maid on the don't tread on me or my maid position, what you would have is filling the jails with small business people, with contractors and others who have hired illegal immigrants who are very much a part of the economic fabric in a place like texas, so it is enormous problem. i think in the end, that's going to be its downfall. >> is there any chance of it passing? >> not much. on the other hand, look, texas was part of the enormous tea
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party wave last november. there's a supermajority in the texas house of conservative republicans, i mean really conservative republicans. but in the end, i think its downfall will be the business interests, including some of governor rick perry's biggest campaign contributors who are interested not so much in these social issues as they are in taxes, and certainly don't want to shut off the tap when it comes to an expense of labor forces in texas. >> you talk about $27 billion shortfall, that is a shortfall you cannot close by taking on liberal sounding line items in the budget. that's something where if you try to do it all without raising taxes, they are going to have to cut so deeply into their own economic future that those business interests you're talking about i can't imagine are going to stand for it. they've sworn themselves blood oaths to never raise taxes. but what's going to happen when they have to make the deep budget decisions they have to make? >> that's a question we hear
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every day here in austin, texas, because the governor, the lieutenant governor and others who have their own agenda, and the tea party supporters say we're not going to raise taxes. going to cut $27 billion. basically a third of state spending. in the end, school districts now across texas are having meetings in which they are talking about laying off hundreds of thousands of teachers. tuition is going to go up. you're going to see your mother no longer in that nursing home because medicaid payments -- it's going to be potentially a real collision. we just aren't there yet. >> wayne slater, thank you very much. >> great to be with you. coming up. something that will make liberals, any liberals watching, will make liberals stand up and cheer and applaud. something that will make liberals stand up, cheer and applaud, even though what we are going to play is something from some of the most conservative republicans in the most republican state government in the country. liberals will be cheering for
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two ingredients... ...one mission. heartburn solved. okay. now for the moment we've been waiting for, results of the first ever "the rachel maddow show" text us with your cell phone poll. today's question, what's more embarrassing. mike huckabee saying stuff like the president grew up in kenya and natalie portman should be ashamed for being pregnant. or b, huckabee not apologizing for stuff like that, but telling anyone offended they should buy his book. or c, george will calling mike huckabee a something that i am not going to say out loud, but which you can see on your television screen. which of those things is more embarrassing? drum roll, please? well, 34% of you chose a. mike huckabee saying stuff like the president grew up in kenya and natalie portman ought to be ashamed for being pregnant. 41% of you chose b, huckabee telling anyone offended to buy
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his book, and just 25% of you chose c, george will calling huckabee something i still won't say, but that has three sill bells and starts with the. that is the first and perhaps last rachel maddow text poll. a lot of you texted us. the first four minutes of voting, we got something like 9,000 responses! so thank you. i guess we'll have to do it again sometime maybe. be right back. 9,000. and they've come to a point where it's overwhelming. oh gee, i'm scared to tell you i've got this amount of credit card debt or i've got a 15-year-old and we never got around to saving for their college. that's when i go to work. we talk, we start planning. we can fix this. when clients walk out of my office they feel confident about their retirement. [ male announcer ] visit ameriprise.com and put a confident retirement more within reach.
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are conservatives for big government or are conservatives for small government? if you listen to conservatives, they always tell you they're for small government, right? >> i'd like to share with you the principles that guide us that have to do with the importance of limited government. >> if it is sort of a small government type of state, you're going to have -- they're going to like small government type leaders that aren't going to be spending as much. >> do you think government is doing too much? >> this is what built the country. this is the declaration of independence and the constitution. pretty thin. limited government. >> we believe government's role is both vital and limited. >> i think the american people expect us to work together to deal with the issue of reforming our healthcare system. but they've got some big doubts about this big government-run plan. >> trusting government is at an all time low now that the size
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of government is at an all-time high. >> conservatives like to say they are for small government. it is good branding. some actually are for small government. but the ideological lovely eeness of republican politics is that that party encompasses people that want small government and people that want government so big, it goes to the doctor with you. into the exam room even. a government so big, it federally overrides any decisions made by local and state governments about stuff like your personal relationships. the beltway press treats this wobbliness at the heart of republican politics in a shallow, cursory way. it is a shame, shouldn't be a mystery, a shock, a wacky turn of events every time mike huckabee has a huckabee moment and all of a sudden the party of individual liberty is i judge you for your decision on when to have a baby. this should not keep surprising us. it is the big government, small government split that goes down the heart of the republican
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party and makes them take stands that seem nonsensical all the time. republicans simultaneously right now are saying they want as much power as possible to the states. they want the states making policy, not the federal government. want the federal government to stay out of it. simultaneously saying that, and the house republicans announced they are going to have congress defend a law that sets marriage policy for the whole country, regardless of what the states want. ta-da. in south dakota, they introduced legislation decrying health reform as intrusion on personal liberty, then passed a bill that would force you to go to an anti-abortion counseling center, tell them if you want to get an abortion. then the government would force you to sit and listen to an anti-abortion lecture before you are allowed to three days later seek an abortion, because, you know, small government, forcing you to sit through lectures, wait three days before you can make a decision with your doctor?
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the fight between big government conservatives within the republican party is a surprise every time to the beltway press. but it is a huge, unsustainable, mutually exclusive divide in the republican party supposed principles. usually, honestly, the big government guys win. speaker of the house, john boehner, is really going to lead the house defending a federal law that dictates to states whether or not they are allowed to recognize specific marriages. the south dakota governor said he is inclined to sign this bill that mandates you sitting through an anti-abortion lecture before you're allowed to talk to your doctor. in republican politics, the big government guys usually win. but not all conservatives are lying when they say they are for small government. real small government people are not just liberals and lib tarns. real small government people are principled conservatives, too, and in the most republican state legislature in the country, the small government conservatives have just done something that would make no sense to the beltway press. it would blow everybody's minds
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entirely republican. it would have nullified marriages of people coming to w wyoming. the small government republicans stopped it. if you are a fan of the show you probably already recognize this as wyoming. we reported on the defeat of an intrusive big government anti-abortianti- anti-abortion measure by the same elements totally republican body. it was small government conservatives telling the big government conservatives where to go. now on another culture war issue. we have seen another outbreak of small sea conservative. this is a thing that national republicans get credit for saying they will do but they really actually never do it. you would never hear this in washington but you could hear knit the most republican government in the country, in the great state of wyoming. this is what conservatism could
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be, america. >> you have to vote on this, in light of article 1 section three that says equality and enjoyment of natural and sieve rights is only made sure through political equality, the laws of the state affecting the political rights and privileges of its citizens shall be without distinction of race color sex or any circumstance or condition whatsoever. it doesn't say except for a marge or civil union from another state. doesn't say that. >> let me read you two things that are just compelling. article one section 7. absolute arbitrary power over the lives, liberty and property of free men exists nowhere in the republic, not even the largest majority. these people are our neighbors, our friends, our brothers, sisters, and to suggest that they don't have the rights at
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least to access the courts -- >> when you go home, after this vote you can look people in the eye. your doctor, your lawyers. your friends, your neighbors, and you're going to tell them that you made them into second class citizens by this vote today if you pass this. you can't do that. we are the equality state. this senate and the people of wyoming are better than that. they are better than house bill 74. they are so much better than that. you know what? you are, too. >> now i know this group believes in small government. and i know this group believes in individual rights and freedom. but i'm not seeing that on this issue. i'm not seeing that sense and that will. because what i'm seeing here is the heavy hand of government once again saying this minority
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group is not equal. our role as legislators is not to legislate morality or bring our religion into politics. our role is to have a good system of education, fix the roads. that's why people send us here this is not our authority, mr. president. and i don't think we belong here. i urge the body to vote against house bill 7 4 and i can assure you every no vote on house bill 74 is going to feel good. >> now that last guy speaking was a democrat, one of the four in the wyoming senate, doing his best to appeal to the small government values. all the other statements were republicans. republicans making the argument that this anti-gay marriage bill is anti-individual liberty, making a small sea, small government argument against
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their big government republican colleagues. for those of you keeping track at home, both of the two at the top are using the wisconsin state constitution to make their point. one of those guys went so far in his arguments against this anti-gay marriage bill to propose what appears to have been a sarcastic amendment to it warning potential visitors to the state that now that they have entered wyoming their rights were in jeopardy. >> mr. president this amendment is brought forward in the hopes that we can perhaps warn folks that might be caught up in our laws when they enter into the state of wyoming. this is addressing folks that may not be aware of our new proposed law and the consequences of it. this would perhaps satisfy a obviously occasion that we would have to inform them. so the gist of the ammendment is
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that an appropriation for $200,000 to the wyoming department of transportation to establish signs along the major entrances to wyoming and the airports and the signs would inform visitors to wyoming that warning, your marriage or civil union may be void or voidable in wyoming. proceed with caution. i feel we may have a bit of a moral oobligation to do that so that people would not come into wyoming believing that a civil union or marriage that they have obtained legally in another jurisdiction and brought forward to wyoming would somehow concur any benefit whatsoever as they proceed to view the great grandeur and beauty of this wonderful state. >> i love sarcastic amendments.
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he is the wyoming senate's conservative economist. he made the economic case against the bill as well. >> now look, we bend over backwards to try to encourage the development of alternative economic activities in wyoming. we want high-tech companies. we want educated people to bring their business here. and we're willing to do almost anything to get that, except we kind of want to do that and have a big red badge on us that says we want you here. we want to give you a tax break, but your employees and executives and the people and families that work for your company aren't going to be treated the same as you were back home. >> the case against an anti-gay marriage bill on economic development grounds being made by a conserv